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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://cheekyfrog.me.uk/2006/06/you-dont-know-what-youve-got-till-its-gone/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie - thank you for taking a break from your holiday to come and visit. Hope you are back with us soon, I know I&#039;m not alone when I say how much I enjoy your postings. Oh, and thank you for forgiving my COD, it&#039;s always nice to know someone understands LOL &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;It is no coincidence that similar political acts are going on simultaneously in both countries, up till now probably the freest in the world.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is so true. I honestly believe that those in power use our freedom against us. We have become so used to it, we take it for granted and assume it will always be this way. People must wake up and take notice, our rights and freedoms are being slowly stolen from beneath our noses with the excuse that is in our best interests, but it&#039;s not. We already have the powers and laws to protect our countries, especially here. Terrorism is not new to the UK. The new measures are being implemented for other reasons. It&#039;s all about control and surveillance. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know this makes me sound like a tin foil hat wearer, but I assure you I&#039;m not. I usually disregard conspiracy theories, but I agree with your quote from Michael Moore - I also believe them when they are true. And anyway, none of this is theory, politicians admit themselves that they are doing it, it&#039;s their motoivation they lie about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie &#8211; thank you for taking a break from your holiday to come and visit. Hope you are back with us soon, I know I&#8217;m not alone when I say how much I enjoy your postings. Oh, and thank you for forgiving my COD, it&#8217;s always nice to know someone understands LOL </p>
<p>&#8220;It is no coincidence that similar political acts are going on simultaneously in both countries, up till now probably the freest in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is so true. I honestly believe that those in power use our freedom against us. We have become so used to it, we take it for granted and assume it will always be this way. People must wake up and take notice, our rights and freedoms are being slowly stolen from beneath our noses with the excuse that is in our best interests, but it&#8217;s not. We already have the powers and laws to protect our countries, especially here. Terrorism is not new to the UK. The new measures are being implemented for other reasons. It&#8217;s all about control and surveillance. </p>
<p>I know this makes me sound like a tin foil hat wearer, but I assure you I&#8217;m not. I usually disregard conspiracy theories, but I agree with your quote from Michael Moore &#8211; I also believe them when they are true. And anyway, none of this is theory, politicians admit themselves that they are doing it, it&#8217;s their motoivation they lie about.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pippa (again LOL) Ah well, Shami can be honest she doesn&#039;t have to worry about toeing the party line, or losing the chance of a lucrative consultancy. Politicans are never honest, in effect they lie for a living. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I bet they hate her though, she was one of the establishment before she &#039;defected&#039; She knows how they think, and operate, she can play them at their own game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pippa (again LOL) Ah well, Shami can be honest she doesn&#8217;t have to worry about toeing the party line, or losing the chance of a lucrative consultancy. Politicans are never honest, in effect they lie for a living. </p>
<p>I bet they hate her though, she was one of the establishment before she &#8216;defected&#8217; She knows how they think, and operate, she can play them at their own game.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pippa - You are right, there has been a big change in our relationship with the government over the last five years or so. It&#039;s no longer the case that they are public servants . . . not that many thought of themselves that way in the first place, but they did at least maintain a veneer of that. Now, they seem to see the people as being there to do their bidding, and that is wrong. We pay them, they work for us, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pippa &#8211; You are right, there has been a big change in our relationship with the government over the last five years or so. It&#8217;s no longer the case that they are public servants . . . not that many thought of themselves that way in the first place, but they did at least maintain a veneer of that. Now, they seem to see the people as being there to do their bidding, and that is wrong. We pay them, they work for us, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete - I voted for them too in 97, it seemed like the best thing at the time, and I thought they would be an improvement on the Tories. With hindsight I was naive. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll be supporting the Lib Dems next time too, it&#039;s not that I agree with them, more that I disagree with them the least. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like you I am undecided about Brown. I have a feeling he won&#039;t be too different to Blair. It is depressing when you think of the options we have. Labour and the Tories are so similar, and the Lib Dems have so much ground to make up before they ever get elected. I can see why some people feel a sense of apathy and don&#039;t vote at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete &#8211; I voted for them too in 97, it seemed like the best thing at the time, and I thought they would be an improvement on the Tories. With hindsight I was naive. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be supporting the Lib Dems next time too, it&#8217;s not that I agree with them, more that I disagree with them the least. </p>
<p>Like you I am undecided about Brown. I have a feeling he won&#8217;t be too different to Blair. It is depressing when you think of the options we have. Labour and the Tories are so similar, and the Lib Dems have so much ground to make up before they ever get elected. I can see why some people feel a sense of apathy and don&#8217;t vote at all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a terrible thing to say, but I believe that terrorism is the best thing that ever happened to the governments who would be dictators: the UK and US.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is no coincidence that similar political acts are going on simultaneously in both countries, up till now probably the freest in the world.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The thing is, neither Bush nor Blair is behind all of this: they are merely the puppets (Bush isn&#039;t even smart enough to be a puppet).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems that the situation right now is worse in the UK. In the US, however, we are plodding towards a theocracy: the &quot;Christians&quot; are determined to protect me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As Michael Moore said in one of his books, &quot;I do not believe in conspiracies, unless they are true.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Amen. (Oops)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Kate: I am on vacation, but I cannot resist your blog and your common sense—I can even forgive your clumsiness.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a terrible thing to say, but I believe that terrorism is the best thing that ever happened to the governments who would be dictators: the UK and US.</p>
<p>It is no coincidence that similar political acts are going on simultaneously in both countries, up till now probably the freest in the world.</p>
<p>The thing is, neither Bush nor Blair is behind all of this: they are merely the puppets (Bush isn&#8217;t even smart enough to be a puppet).</p>
<p>It seems that the situation right now is worse in the UK. In the US, however, we are plodding towards a theocracy: the &#8220;Christians&#8221; are determined to protect me.</p>
<p>As Michael Moore said in one of his books, &#8220;I do not believe in conspiracies, unless they are true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen. (Oops)</p>
<p>[Kate: I am on vacation, but I cannot resist your blog and your common sense—I can even forgive your clumsiness.]</p>
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		<title>By: parnellpr</title>
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		<dc:creator>parnellpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shami Chakrabati- whom I often get confused with her relative rita- whenever I see her on newsnight or tv she is often the only one who speaks honestly and with clarity and sense. I admire her for that.If only politicians followed suit more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shami Chakrabati- whom I often get confused with her relative rita- whenever I see her on newsnight or tv she is often the only one who speaks honestly and with clarity and sense. I admire her for that.If only politicians followed suit more often.</p>
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		<title>By: parnellpr</title>
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		<dc:creator>parnellpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post just confirms a few things that I have felt for a while. Sure, we have a right to defend our state, but NOT by any means unnecessary, especially when it comes to protecting civil liberties and human rights. For example the anti terror laws are unbelievably open to abuse, things could get so bad that just for expressing anti iraq war views in public you could get arrested. There are certain things that I feel we have to accept in a democracy. One of them is that freedom of speech and expression applys to all, even though whose views we find abhorrent. The next few years are absolutely crucial in world politics. Both the UK and the US will be facing regime changes. The question is what kind and how will they deal with the events already set in motion by the current regimes. Notice the use of the word &quot;regime&quot;. Another thing that this post reaffirmed for me is that, with terrorism as the excuse, we are slowly slipping away from governments judged by the people to those that are entirely self determined and are therefore &quot;regimes&quot;. I agree with Pete about Cameron. Until recently I felt that he would be the one to create a viable opposition to Blairs lot. Since the radio 1 debacle I see him for what he is. A lightweight, happy to jump any bandwagon, as opposed to concentrating on redeveloping his party, its image and what it stands for. Unless things change I don&#039;t think I will ever vote Labour or conservative. The thought is too abhorrent to me. P.S In regards to your comments on my post, Sven could only win using those methods. The image that you evoked made me laugh loads. Thanx.P.P.S I hope Charlie C feels himself soon and gets back to blogging, I always think his posts and commments are fab!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post just confirms a few things that I have felt for a while. Sure, we have a right to defend our state, but NOT by any means unnecessary, especially when it comes to protecting civil liberties and human rights. For example the anti terror laws are unbelievably open to abuse, things could get so bad that just for expressing anti iraq war views in public you could get arrested. There are certain things that I feel we have to accept in a democracy. One of them is that freedom of speech and expression applys to all, even though whose views we find abhorrent. The next few years are absolutely crucial in world politics. Both the UK and the US will be facing regime changes. The question is what kind and how will they deal with the events already set in motion by the current regimes. Notice the use of the word &#8220;regime&#8221;. Another thing that this post reaffirmed for me is that, with terrorism as the excuse, we are slowly slipping away from governments judged by the people to those that are entirely self determined and are therefore &#8220;regimes&#8221;. I agree with Pete about Cameron. Until recently I felt that he would be the one to create a viable opposition to Blairs lot. Since the radio 1 debacle I see him for what he is. A lightweight, happy to jump any bandwagon, as opposed to concentrating on redeveloping his party, its image and what it stands for. Unless things change I don&#8217;t think I will ever vote Labour or conservative. The thought is too abhorrent to me. P.S In regards to your comments on my post, Sven could only win using those methods. The image that you evoked made me laugh loads. Thanx.P.P.S I hope Charlie C feels himself soon and gets back to blogging, I always think his posts and commments are fab!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the compliment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I find it all terribly depressing, perhaps more so because I voted for Blair. Oh those heady days of 1997. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sometime ago I mentioned that we get the government we deserve. We live in a time when accidents don&#039;t happen where someone is to blame and I believe that the government are pandering to that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The thing is that it starts with children, parents think there brats are perfect and teachers are powerless. When I was a lad if I was accused of something my parents would assume I&#039;d done it. Nowadays? There little Chantelle or Darren is a little angel.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You often hear &quot;what about the victim&quot;. Well until guilt is proved the accused is innocent. I&#039;m pretty certain that families want justice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve never voted Conservative in my life. I&#039;d consider a Ken Clarke led party but Cameron and his ilk seem very Blairite to me. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not sure what to make of Brown, I imagine he is cut from a similar cloth to Blair whatever might be said. He has upset the left by his pro-Nuclear stance.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seems like thequacksoflife will be urging you to vote Lib Dem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the compliment.</p>
<p>I find it all terribly depressing, perhaps more so because I voted for Blair. Oh those heady days of 1997. </p>
<p>Sometime ago I mentioned that we get the government we deserve. We live in a time when accidents don&#8217;t happen where someone is to blame and I believe that the government are pandering to that.</p>
<p>The thing is that it starts with children, parents think there brats are perfect and teachers are powerless. When I was a lad if I was accused of something my parents would assume I&#8217;d done it. Nowadays? There little Chantelle or Darren is a little angel.  </p>
<p>You often hear &#8220;what about the victim&#8221;. Well until guilt is proved the accused is innocent. I&#8217;m pretty certain that families want justice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never voted Conservative in my life. I&#8217;d consider a Ken Clarke led party but Cameron and his ilk seem very Blairite to me. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to make of Brown, I imagine he is cut from a similar cloth to Blair whatever might be said. He has upset the left by his pro-Nuclear stance.  </p>
<p>Seems like thequacksoflife will be urging you to vote Lib Dem.</p>
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